Saturday, 31 July 2010
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Good point Merchant! |
bolo
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what is being said in a nice way with the baseball thing pacman will not be able to hit mayweather too good of a defensive fighter. everyone that is in boxing seems to not believe pacman will win this fight but are being nice about it because they like pacman |
bolo
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roach is saying what i have been saying the entire time. all the stuff that worked against the other fighters this year will not work against mayweather. and to all those saying pacman is gona work through mayweather. why does roach want to start camp early, why is he calling this pacmans toughest fight ever if beating mayweather is so easy? and what does he mean they will start getting rid of some badhabits now. if he wanted to do that he should have started that a few fights ago. pacman will fall into those habits. he couldnt stop those habits when he fought cotto. cotto just couldnt take advantage. merchant basically said in a nice way, if fight not going pacmans way he is going to go back to his old habbits, instinct takes over and hes gona get knocked out. people are in for a shock. look at what roach is saying very carefully. he knows what is going to happen. |
doctorSpoc
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now you know why roach was looking for this fight to happen.. maybe a year from now.. Floyd Sr. tried to change Hatton in a few months and look how that turned out.. and why floyd signed so fast.. he wants the fighter that fought cotto.. no head movement, comes in hands down with no jab, gets hit easy and often.. man even that thing he does when he gets hit.. going straight back and throwing his hands up saying come git it.. just follow him straight back and clock him... manny has so many flaws and a fighter like mayweather will humiliate him. and Merchant has to be the biggest Mayweather hater on the frig'n planet.. he would literally cream his pants if mayweather lost.. and even he is saying, subtly that manny doesn't have a chance.. cripes!! Roach is saying manny doesn't have a chance.. yeah, we're going to completely re-engineer my figher's style that he learned over 15yrs in 3mths.. yeah, like that's going to happen.. lol.. c'mon man... like i've been saying.. manny doesn't possess any skills that will allow him to beat mayweather.. all he he has going for him is if he can land a lucky punch.. that's it.. and people don't land solidly on mayweather.. he rolls and twists and takes the steam off of punches.. and NO ONE lands combinations on mayweather NO ONE! |
doctorSpoc
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i'll just qualify my comment about Merchant.. Merchant doesn't know shit about boxing analysis.. that guy is clueless.. but this is so obvious that even a moron like him can see the writing on the wall.. |
socalboxer
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i think pacqman is being underestimated again. remember, Floyd Sr. was so impressed with pacman that he accused him of being on steroids! i'm glad roach is starting early. to me this is good news. team mayweather saying it will be easy is also good news to me  |
ron
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thats bcuz it will be easy roach cant change manny in a few months come fight night all new moves will go out the window and mayweather will be victorious again |
Badintentions1
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2 years ago pacman facing mayweather was unthinkable!! Its by far his biggest challenge, i hope he does it and respect to him!! but mostly i think he's the best guy out there to push a performace out of GAYWEATHER and get him goin into the higher gears, gears he never required in dismantlin an over puffed JMM and a weight drained DE LA HOYA, overated HATTON and useless BALDOMIR. Cant wait!!! |
bolo
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a weight drained delahoya? you got your fights mixed up. delahoya weighed in 154 on official weigh in. on fight night he was about 165 pounds he was at a comfortable weight. floyd on fight night was at 147 he actually lost 7 pounds b4 fight. delahoya was weight drained when he fought pacman. he was crazy trying to get down to 145 pounds. he was actually one pound lighter then pacman on fight night. ill give you the useless baldomir statement but marquez was suppose to be the one. the one to push floyd to the limit. quote preasure him. #2 best in the world. after fight all the excuses start. the few times floyd stoped and let marquez hit him, playing with him. marquez looked plenty fast to me. hatton was suppose to push im quote preasure him. after fight excuses. delahoya was suppose to have that jab that was gona destroy him. after fight the excuses start. now pacman is suppose to push him preasure him. there goes that word preasure again. there is nothing this man has that is different from the other fighters that would make you believe he is going to make this a fight. after he looses, the excuses will start. he's not that great, had no defence head didnt move.then again it will be mayweather didnt beat anybody pacman isnt a real figher. i really home win loose or draw theres no excuses after this fight. floyd has no flaws the only thing that is going to get him is mosley , age or luck, nothing else. pacman is not the man. you can not change the way a fighter fights in 3 months. it is impossible. roach has not been able to change this mans flaws over how many years. all of a sudden hes gona get it done. set traps? what traps. when have you seen mayweather get cought in traps? roach knows whats gona happen. they are just going through the motions. |
Kiwikuno
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Now doubters have been answered through Pacquiao-Cotto fight that Pacquiao has credible chin and can handle power shots well. The rope-a-dope is over and the only main objective of the Mayweather-pacquiao is to demolish Floyd and that should mean no more detraction. I hope the Mayweather’s continue their trash talk that could inspire Pacquiao’s more in knocking down Floyd for good. Roach has to build up Pacquiao to maintain his focus throughout the fight as it will be one of the key ingredient to easy win. Pacquiao has to keep focus with the objective and stay on the game plan unlike the Pacquiao-Cotto fight which he did not by playing tricks of rope-a-dope to please doubters. If Pacquiao can maintain the above, mayweather will be knock out for sure. |
bolo
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pacman was not trying to prove anything against cotto.there was no ropadope. what you saw is what you get. that is how pacman fights. he has always fought like that. he can concentrate all he wants. the fact is he has the worst style you can have fighting against mayweather. its not talking trash, its just reality. everyone that has faced mayweather with the style pacman has , has been destroyed. and to make it worse pacman has no defence. and i dont know what the hell you saw that he proved against cotto. i would give you that one if he had fought and beaten mosley. i dont know why he even fought cotto after what margarito did to cotto. why not fight mosley who destroyed the man who destroyed cotto. everyone is going by what pacman did his last three fights. roach pacman's trainer said it himself. " NOTHING THAT WORKED THE LAST THREE FIGHTS WILL WORK AGAINST MAYWEATHER." you didnt want to believe it coming from me are you telling me roach pacmans trainer doesnt know what he is talking about? and do you realy think pacman's gona change his way of fighting in three months? mayweathers defence is tooooo tough. cant get through. merchant is a pacman butt muncher and even he doesnt believe pacman will win. |
Swodogg
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My thing is this will be Mayweathers toughest challenge yet. He got dropped by Zab Judah, was losing the first half against de la Hoya's jab until as ROach said: "DLH can't pull the trigger" in the later rounds. The Difference is Pacquiao can pull a lot of Triggers. Roach has been right time and time again yet people seem to think Mayweather gots this fight hands down. It will be a war in there. I want to see some 24/7 because training/conditioning for this fight is going to be key. |
alex santillan
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its going to be a draw |
bolo
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mayweather didnt just stop quote pulling the trigger for no reason. it was him being hit in the face and body the entire fight that caused that to happen. it didnt just happen. and delahoya was 15 pounds heavier then mayweather on fight night. pacman gona get hit the same way except he wont be standing up at the end of the fight. and if your wondering about conditioning. no one probably in the history of boxing trains as hard as mayweather. |
mandolay
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no one trains as hard as mayweather, except for manny pacquiao |
JoeLuis
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We know who the most skilled fighter is, (mayweather) but can he handle the lil-typoon? so far no one has. So far nobody's even been on his level. Lately that is. And throw away the Mayweather vs marques fight. Cant compare 142lb marquez to the 130 that fought pacquiao. Also pacquiao has evolved (after the marquez fight he's gotten two powerfull hands thanks to the roach) so that comparison is out of the pic. You guys can't underestimate speed and that's what you're doing i think manny's speed is the key to have mayweather running all night long. Money is not really known for his knockout power 40-25ko, so if manny does not respect floyds power (like he did with cotto eventhough cotto popped him a couple times cotto's heart got tore out) he just might go for it which = to a fun packed exciting fight. hopefully im right and we'll be in for a treat. I wonder who is going to be their sparring partners that may also be a key. |
PinoyBokser
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I'm a huge manny fan given that I'm filipino, but i don't see manny winning the fight on a KO. he could win in a split decision with 1234 combinations of pacquiao, with 1 or 2 punches landing. The key here is this, mayweather has superb defense but he can't go toe to toe with manny. From a Filipino, i say mayweather winning this on a decision just for the fact that he is so friggin hard to punch.. believe me, its frustrating and tiring at the same time throwing punches in the air.. that might be the key. yes mayweather runs, but that is just part of his game plan. he doesnt want to be hit. I hope manny lands a lucky left hook, like what hatton absorbed. That should rock mayweather. |
355X6 Bench
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I saw alot of flaws in Pac in the Cotto fight, Floyd will win this fight but I give Manny the punchers chance. Floyd when pushed hard rises like cream. Manny will fight as hard as he can to no avail.Floyd on decition. |
doctorSpoc
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manny was able to take cotto's best punch, but how long would he have been able to do that for? if cotto had any kind of head movement or defense at all and would have been able to get out of the way of manny's punches for more than 2 rounds manny would have been surly been taking a nap for a 3rd time in the ring that night (have a look at how messed up manny's face was in the post fight interview.. cotto was able to land bombs on him over and over). it doesn't matter how good a chin you have if you get hit enough and you aren't tagging your opponent to weaken them your granite chin is going to crack eventually. evidence - margarito has a granite chin and was able to beat cotto because even though cotto was tagging him with shots right on the button and winning the fight early on.. cotto was getting tagged with some real bombs himself, and working really hard staying away footwork wise... slowly but surely thought, those bombs that margarito was landing caught up to cotto faster than the bombs cotto was landing on margarito because of margarito's superior chin.. but look at margarito v mosley. margarito was not able to get to mosely and mosely was still tagging margarito, so mosely was perfectly fine in the later rounds and still had great power, freshness and clear mind and this time it was only margarito who was worn down late in the fight and mosely was able to accumulate enough and then take margarito out of there. having a granite chin is great, but if you are unable to connect with your opponent and weaken them, and you are getting tagged over and over again.. eventually it's going to catch up to you.. guys with granite chins depend on taking some to get some and their opponent getting worn down faster than them, but if you're not able to get to your opponent.. you're in BIG trouble (like margarito was against mosely).. pacquiao won't be able to find mayweather and mayweather will be able to find him all night long.. mayweather but late stoppage! manny is way too hitable.. nothing has changed and ironically the cotto fight proves it.. still not enough head movement, still goes straight back with hands down, still comes in hands down with no jab, still leaning in, still keeps his head up and chin out.. cotto's shitty defense couldn't keep him in the fight long enough for him to complete the work he was doing and couldn't take advantage of all those flaws pacquiao still has, but mayweather will definitely be able to.. pacquiao's chin isn't going to mean shit, just like margarito's chin didn't mean shit against mosely.. pacquiao's power isn't going to mean shit against mayweather just like margaritio's power didn't mean shit against mosely because you have to be able to connect for it to mean something and pacquiao won't be able to land on mayweather just like margarito wasn't able to land on mosely.. |
raygun
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first of all i'll start out by saying im a huge mayweather fan,im also a big fan of detroit based fighters which use the shoulder roll(who remembers jimmy paul out of kronk gym ,the man could go from orthodox to southpaw and use the shoulder roll like no one i can recall) that being said what worries me most about this fight is inactivity in floyd's behalf,by the time this fight will be made floyd would have had ONE fight in nearly two years....although he very well looked quite impressive against marquez.The quote by the legendary trainer Ray Arcel "when you rest you rust"may very well come into play in this fight.Im not picking a winner just yet but i would be more comfortable if floyd would have had a "serious" tune up prior to facing manny. I do see them fighting twice and perhaps thrice if need be. This my fellow punchers is an event !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
frontANDcenter
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@pacquiao with no defense? are you kidding me or are you just plain stupid? did you actually watch his last couple of fights? against cotto had he not abandoned the fight plan to test miguel's power, his hits wouldnt be much obvious. if you watched closely, instead of just believing what you heard, those body shots landed on either pacman's arms or elbows..those jabs on his gloves.his counter punches are thrown in fast and with accuracy and just right before miguel would start to throw his, manny would be way beyond reach. i know floyd will be a much different fighter.floyd is a conventional fighter and i believe he is the best at that. he is smart but can he be smarter once manny starts to unload the bombs? he will hurt your baby floyd, he will knock him out and come that time, ill be expecting your lame @#S reasons on these boards if you would ever dare to show up. now go back to swallowing your baby's unit. |
doctorSpoc
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frontANDcenter - you better get your eyes checked.. LMAO.. just google the post fight interview of pacquiao cotto... does that look like the face of a guy with a great defense? swollen up and cut.. broken ear drumb.. and he won!! have you ever seen pbf's eyes almost swollen shut, and cut up like that and a broken ear drum? what the hell are you what the hell are you talking about?? man this is too easy.. can you at least come with a comment that makes some kind of sense.. i mean we all saw the fight.. we all saw cotto snapping pacquiao's head back many times.. anyone can just google and see the state of pacquiao's face after the fight.. why would anyone make such stupid comment, that pacquiao had great defense against cotto when it's so easy to demonstrate that to be a completely false statement? frontANDcenter, try to do better next time.. lol.. if cotto can get to pacquiao like that, i want to see what Floyd can do.. this is going to be so funny.. lol.. can't wait.. |
doctorSpoc
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oh and frontANDcenter - it's funny how shot's landed on your arms and gloves can snap your head back and make your eyes and face swell up like that and can break your ear drum eh? LMMFAO!! what a dumb ass!! didn't think it was possible but the comments just get more and more stupid as this goes one.. lol.. |
AntWilkez
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could someone please tell me which Mayweather fight you are talking about where he runs all night? Even after Zab landed all those straight left hands and that right hook that "dropped" him, it was Mayweather stalking him the rest of the fight! I think Manny did more running against Oscar than Floyd did. Floyd was in Juan's face all night. Basically I've seen Floyd stand right in front of fighters and still make them miss. What Cotto did in the second half of his fight with Pac was run. I've never seen Floyd do that. And he's been in there against big punchers i.e. a prime undefeated Diego Corrales, Philip N'Dou (31-1 30kos at that time) Arturo Gatti, Zab Judah. I wish that the Pacquiao fans were more knowledgable about the sweet science. And before I'm called a "Gayweather Butt Muncher" or whatever I see this fight ending 2 possible ways, either Pacquiao stops him early or he gets outboxed and possibly stopped late by Floyd. Look at how bad Manny's face was damaged after the Cotto fight and Cotto stopped fighting after the 6th or 7th round! Pacquiao couldn't knock out a weight drained and dehydrated Oscar @147 nor could he knock out Cotto @147 so as much as I believe that Manny could stop Floyd early the more I see how unlikely it is! Sorry these are just the facts! |
AntWilkez
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I think liverpuncher should attach peoples records next to their names that way I can see if you know what you're talking about before I waste my time reading bogus posts filled with too many emotions and not enough facts! |
bolo
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i agree. a lot of people making phobic comments about mayweather and saying pacman will knock him out, will destroy him this and that then go back to phobic talk but have no facts or reasons to why they think this is going to happen. there are those who think pacman will win and try to give there reasoning same with mayweather fans. then you have a bunch of people who dont know anything about boxing shiming in. just talking junk but nothing worth while to say. go educate yourself on the sport or go blog on some mma fight. and whats up with the recial talk. both fighers are minorities. really find another sight to blog on. |
bolo
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matter a fact. marquez, cotto, mayweather, pacman, margarito, mosley, pw, clottey. please find another sight to blog on. and pacman is gona get knocked out hate him or love him. mayweather might have the best defence ever in the history of boxing. and his shots will catch pacman all day. pacman will not be able to get to him. that jab will catch him everytime. his gona have to take 3 / 4 shots to get one. its gona be bad. and please after the fight. all of you please dont disapear all of a sudden. |
AntWilkez
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Hell yeah bolo! And do you guys remember when Hatton beat Castillo in more impressive fashion than Floyd, they hyped him up to beat Floyd. Now that Manny has beaten some of Floyd's past opponents in more impressive fashion they're hyping him up. Then they say he's scared of Mosley not knowing he tried to make that fight a long time ago but Mosley wanted to go on vacation and also complained about his tooth. Then they say he was scared of Cotto not knowing he tried to make that fight a few years ago but Cotto's handlers said no. Lets not forget about Margacheato! As quick as he made a name for himself he tarnished it even quicker! Who has he defeated to deserve a shot other than when he cheated against Cotto anyway? I don't see any of the top 147 guys lining up to fight P.Will but Floyd is the only one who gets criticized for it. btw didn't he get outboxed by Quintana? What makes you think Floyd won't do the same? I believe that as long as Floyd was on top he wasn't going to get any respect no matter who he fought, so he chose to retire so that someone else would be crowned p4p champ then he could return and defeat them then maybe he would get the respect he feels he deserve. I think that was brilliant. |
doctorSpoc
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but bolo... pacquiao can still get lucky.. this IS boxing and anything can happen.. but, if i were pacquiao.. i'd be more concerned with buying rabbits feet, horse shoes, go visit the obeah man, witch doctor, voodoo man.. whatever they call it it the Philippines.. instead of trying to change his style drastically in 2mths (than can really backfire on him) because it's a lucky shot that he needs more than anything... |
bolo
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he could get lucky, we all know that. skill and luck win fights. the thing is pacman doesnt have one shot knock out power, he does it in acumilation. look how many open shots he gave to cotto and delahoya. hatton knock out was hatton putting himself in situation a class c fighter shouldnt put himself in. he is not going to get an accumilation of punches on mayweather. secound he has no choice but to change his style if he doesnt hes gona get knocked out. his style is taylor made for mayweather. people always talk about preasuring mayweather. but everyone who trys always gets smashed by shots forcing them to back up then mayweather starts the puting his head out thing to force his apponenet to engage again. people seam to not realize that mayweathers style works best when someone is trying to preasure him. you telling me marquez cant preasure someone like pacman. and changing style is bad too because he is doing things that are unatural. eather way he gets knocked out. he is not gona get lucky. not gona happen. mayweather let marquez survive 12 rounds. he wont do the same with pacman. |
355X6 Bench
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Manny cant cross to his right to save his life (footwork), look there is always a chance of Manny out working Floyd, but I dont see it cuz Floyd has a beautiful rythm and Manny needs dance lessons, he lunges and reaches more than anyone on his level that I have ever seen. He has been able to get away with it cuz he uses his offence as his defence but it wont work against a guy that you cant hit. If you watch the Cotto fight close youll see any time Cotto moved to his left Manny reached and missed, Floyd saw that and ran to sighn the contract. Manny is a very good one dimentional fighter that cant dance. |
AntWilkez
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People also make too big of a deal about weight. Roy Jones skipped cruiserweight and went right to heavy to fight Ruiz and won. Hopkins skipped two weightclasses to fight Tarver and won. We all know Manny has jumped weightclasses as well as Floyd but for some reason when Juan Manuel Marquez did it everyone accused Floyd of picking on smaller guys! WTF? Will they say the same thing if he beats Pacquiao? Floyd and Manny are basically from the same weight. The difference is Pacquiao turned pro much earlier while Floyd was still an amateur training for the Olympics. I won't say weight doesn't matter at all but the two pounds he weighed over JMM didn't make a difference, Juan lost because he was outclassed by the better fighter plain and simple. |
AntWilkez
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I do believe that Mayweather was trying to stop Marquez but couldn't. |
AntWilkez
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@ bolo and doctorspoc I agree he will have to get lucky and @355X6bench Oscar "outworked" him and still lost because he threw more but landed less. If Pacquiao can't stop him early he's going to at least need a few knockdowns to win a decision. And I dont agree with Roach, it's not a good idea to try to change a fighter's style so late in their career and so close to such a big fight. If he wins he will win being himself, he should just focus on becoming even better at what he is already great at. Focus on making that straight left faster and stronger as well as that right hook aka Manila Ice. Floyd loves to throw that jab to the body Manny should try to counter that with the right hook like Zab did and try to land a sneaky str8 left down the middle and hope and pray it either knocks Mayweather down or out cold. These are his only chances to win in my opinion. |
doctorSpoc
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also notice that people's imaginations get the better of them too? hear the HBO guys.. whoa!!.. look how BIG mayweather is.. he's SOOO much bigger compared to marquez.. and yet he's 1 inch taller and 2 lbs heavier.. WTF?? even that lampley guys in the rebroadcast says.. whoa that height difference seemed much bigger when we watched the first time.. yeah, cause you let your preconceived notions get the better of you.. fool! |
AntWilkez
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@doctorspoc if frontandcenter would have had his record next to his name you wouldn't have had to read his stupid post saving you some valuable time  |
BOXING EINSTEIN
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PACQUAIO GONNA TAKE HIS 40-50 MILLION AND ASS WHOOPING AND RUN FOR CONGRESS AFTER THE FIGHT. NO WAY HE WINS. HE KNOWS IT. HIS TRAINER KNOWS IT. FREDDIE ROACH IS AN IDIOT,HE TALK ALL THIS SHIT DAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AN EASY FIGHT AND NOW ITS THE TOUGHEST FIGHT. |
saso
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Response to doctorspoc first comment on dec 10 First of all if you can read freddy says he is going to make "SOME CHANGES" not reengineer his whole fighting style that he has been fighting his whole career !Roach also said they will come up with a whole new game plan than they had with delahoya and hatton cause floyd is obviously a different beast.You say manny doesnt possess any skills that would beat mayweather and his only shot is a lucky punch you better try being an expert at table tennis or some other sport because first of all thiers no such thing as a lucky puche in boxing its two men with two arms and one head trying to hit the other guy !Just to simpify things for you since you have a hard time interperting Bottom line is manny will win this fight with the perfect game plan put in place by freddy roach he will pressure flyd like he never has benn pressured before Smart controlled agressin making floyd come to him at times also throwing punches from angles floyd never seen before and most of all he will win with his DESIRE confedince and HEART !!!AND IM NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT PACMAN VICTORIOUS MARCH 13 or whenever they fight!!!! |
BOXING EINSTEIN
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THERE IS REALLY NO WAY U CAN BEAT MAYWEATHER. U CAN'T PRESSURE HIM, U CAN'T OUTBOX HIM. PAUL WILLAMS CAN'T BEAT HIM EITHER LOOK WHAT SERGIO DID TO HIM. MOSLEY WILL GET OUTBOX AND HAS PROBELMS WITH SLICK BOXER. MOSELY DOES HAVE THE BEST CHANCE. |
AntWilkez
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Mosley's old ass doesn't have a chance! Pac has the best chance and thats only a punchers chance! |
bolo
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there goes that word again. pressure. pacman will not be able to pressure floyd. no one has been able to pressure floyd. his style of fighting is based on people trying to pressure him. the more you try to do it the easier the fight is for him. and you cant get a clean shot off him. he blocks with his shoulder and arms or he roles with the punch talking all the power away. watch the marquez fight. he tried peasure. we all saw what happened. delahoya tried jabbing. floyd roled with the punches. what game plan is roach gona come up with. go forward and swing leaving your head open like the last 3 fights. you cant do that against floyd. the only way to beat floyd is to preasure him. the only problem is no one can preasure him. so unless pacman gets a lucky puch. hes not lasting 12 rounds. and he was playing with marquez. he would stop on the ropes, let marquez hit him then just look at him and shake his head , toying with him thats why marquez was soo pissed after the fight and kept swinging after the bell. and b4 hatton fight with mayweather. he was labeled the mayweather killer. because he had so much balls and pushed so much preasure. everything said about pacman. we know how that ended up. after fight all of a sudden hatton is not a real fighter, he is a joke. just waiting for the excuses after this fight. and please no more ducking mosley talk. mayweather tried to fight him twice. he refused. and abrum as said it more then once. he does not want mayweather fighting his fighters. guess who his fighers are. margarito, cotto, pacman. only reason he is letting pacman fight mayweather, money too high and he knows pacman is done after this fight. he did try to fight cotto. abrum called talks off. against margarito he offered floy 8 million. that is a low ball offer for mayweather. its been a long time since he fought for under 10 million. he fought baldemear for 12 million. that 4 more million dollers. you cant blame the guy. fought the so called #2 marquez and now is fighting pacman the so called #1 and after this fight will fight winner of berto/ mosley. after 2010. no more ducking talk and NO MORE EXCUSES. |
NDESTRUKT
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bolo and doc spoc! how much did flowd paid you to write too much positive on him and too much negative on pacman! all i can say is lil typhoon previous fight was FAR TOO IMPRESIVE THAN YOUR BOSS GAYWEATER. |
NDESTRUKT
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HEY.. FUCKIN EISTIEN! FREDDY PROVES ALL HIS TALKING.. DO YOU GET IT? LOOK MAYWEATHER SR? HOW ABOUT HIS TALKING? DID HE PROVE SOMETHING? LOOK HOW HE TRAINED HATTON AND DELA HOYA? HE MAKE HIS TRAINEE EASILY GET KILLED BY PACMAN.. EAT YOUR HEART OUT DUDE..  |
NDESTRUKT
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TOO MUCH WRITTING OF DOCSPOC AND BOLO KEEPS THIS PAGES DIRTY AND OVER CROWDED.. THESE TWO ARE PAID MONKEYS ON FLOYD.. IGNORE THESE TWO NONSENSE IDIOT GUYS.. ALL THEY HAVE WRITTEN IS FUCKIN CRAZY! |
saso728
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They can say whwt they want about pacman when he fought marquez he was a different fighter .He has grown in weight and in skill he grows with every fight and learns with every fight you cant look at pacmans last fight because he brings something new too the table each fight and has grown into his weight and strong at this weight so mayweather is the same counter punching defesive fighter he always was the question is what will pacman bring different to the table against mayweather? |
355X6 Bench
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The reality is, Manny may have a chance if he uses a double jab coming in and goes to the body HARD, but I dont see that I see him angry cuz Floyd will taunt him,laugh at him and talk smack like he always does. Floyd can be beat but it will take dicipline on Mannys part as well as a pure focus to break Floyds body down at all costs, the problem is he is not good to his right he dont have dance skills. This fight will be like mixing water and oil. Manny is the water, strong, powerful,fast with endless energy. Floyd is oil, smooth,slippery,and great rythm that is so hard to find. If this fight lives up to half the hype then it will be a classic. |
bolo
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ndestruck you seem to be good at talking smack but i have still to see you write something with reasoning on why pacman is going to win. could you please put someone down that explains why pacman will win. all we are doing is explaining what the facts are.like it or not floyd is a great defencive fighter. he will hit you all night and not allow himself to get hit. you can preasure him, no one has been able to. pacman has bad defence. its not talking junk, its reality. if you dont have good defence against mayweather you done. i could care less what he has done to other fighters. they are not mayweather. your boy roach said it himself the way pacman fought against the other fighters wont work. so why will pacman win this fight. can you do anything but talk junk. make sure your around march 13th and 14th. dont disapear. and come out that closet. tell your neighbor billy bob that you peep through his window and how you feel about him, its ok. move to san fran. they wont judge you. |
bolo
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you have a lot of g talk ndetruck. its like that highschool wrestler that always has something to say about the g boys but seems to be the one always in the locker room. |
bolo
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ndestruck why are you talking about floyd sr. anyway. he doesnt train floy jr. roger mayweather trains floyd jr. further showing how much you know about boxing. and 355x6 pacman wont be able to land combinations on floyd. ndestruck please tell me on thing that is different that pacman does that other fighters have not tried againt floyd. how is pacman all of a sudden get a defence. be able to protect himself.and what is so different about pacmans game now then b4. he looks like the same figher to me. still makes the same mistakes. you cant have holes in your game when you fight floyd. he will eat you up. there is a formula to beat pacman. its been done many times b4. there is no formula to beat mayweather. maybe old age or luck. right some kind of boxing knowledge some reasoning to your praise of pacman or keep quiet untill march 13 and go back to reading your playgirl magazine |
Homer
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These "Comments" are too long, and mostly opinion. Take 'em to the forums. |
pac-que
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bolo your such an idiot like your idol full of helarious nonesense and big bluffing mouth  |
bolo
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pac que coments not addressed to u need the person it was addressed to to give reason why pacman wil win |
NDESTRUKT
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STOP CRYING BOLO! FLOYD WILL GIVE YOU CANDY ANYWAY.. YOUR SO FUCKIN CRAZY DUDE!!! LOL! PACMAN WILL BEAT YOUR GUY.. MARCH 13 AND 14 WE WILL MEET HERE AGAIN. GET READY FO YOUR EXCUSES AND ALIBI. EAT YOUR HEART OUT. |
Steve London
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Interesting points,alot of "mayweather experts".Heres my 2 cents worth, MW,hand picked opponents,small,old,worn,slow.you cant deny that.Check the punch stat and watch the fight vs Castillo,he lost it,after the fight did MW celebrate?no. the 3 degrees of boxing,MW,uncle crack head and retarded dad were mute for once.Anyway.people are looking at the Cotto vs Pacquiao fight,like thats how Pacquiao will fight MW?then ur stupid and know nothing of the sport. MW retired to enjoy his $,good on him.He came back cos he was broke,(taxman waiting at Marquez fight for their $6m,as they has a hold on his house...fact)Fools like u will pay to watch MW run,not engage in a fight,hit and hold for 12 rounds.Thats up to u,but dont disrepect a fighter like Pacquiao to entertains.This is what the sport is about.As mentioned Pacquiao never faced,speed?counter puncher?ring craft before?If u dont know this,then im not wasting my time writing who hes fought.MW hasnt fought a fighter,with speed,feet and hands with power,staminae,defence skills like Pacquiao.He is the complete fighter now,from before. MW has said on radio,when making excuses why he DUCKED,Mosely,Cotto,Margarito,Williams,etc,etc,that it takes 6mths to make a big fight.Why would he want to make this fight,biggest in modern boxing,in 3mths??? MW is alot older now than when he dismantled Judah,which in my opinion was he best fight,(he lost against De La Hoya & castillo only a fool wouldnt see it)Hes also slower,I dont think hes defence is as tight as before.Hes good at stopping 1 shot then holding,but can he dodge 3 shots?i say no,will MW get hurt,YES,will Pacquiao pressure him and back him up? YES,will his shoulder roll on the ropes work?NO!Final point,those of u who doubt Pacquiao,I bet u HOPED Cotto would beat him,werent u shocked,if u really believe MW will win put $ on it. |
NDESTRUKT
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NICE ONE STEVE LONDON, I AGREE ON THAT. THERES A LOT OF PAC HATERS HERE, THOSE WERE THE IDIOTS WHO PUT THERE MONEY ON PACMANS PREVIOUS OPPONENT. NOW THEY WERE BANKRUPTED.. LOL! CASTILLO TOLD ALSO ON AN INTERVIEW THAT PACMANS PUNCH WERE TOO POWERFUL THAN FLOYD. LET THEM SEE HOW PACMAN PUT SOME CUT AND BRUISES TO THE FACE OF THEIR P4P KING WANNABE |
doctorSpoc
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Steve London - pbf haters alway like to talk about the 1st fight, but what happened in the second castillio fight? it was basically a complete shut out for mayweather.. castillio tried the same shit and it didn't work. now idiot say.. oh, go to the body like castillo.. that works against mayweather.. when it didn't work for castillio in the second fight. whether it was just a bad strategy or just an off night for mayweather the first fight.. mayweather beat casillio easily the second time.. it was a close fight.. i can't see anyone saying it wasn't close.. close fights can go either way.. one or two rounds either way and the other guy wins.. and it's easy for two people to see a fight different by one or two rounds. why the hell do idiots say oh, so and so was robbed i had it 115 - 113 for my guy.. that's stupid, when it's that close it could have gone either way.. get a clue.. you're just pissed it didn't go in your guys direction.. but it's beyond stupid to say your guy was robbed.. just dumb.. and it's stupid to say it was a bad decision. as for the ODLH fight... look at the slow mo's.. look at the STATS for that fight.. 9 out of 10 shots in those DLH flurries didn't land.. you win fights by beating up on your opponent.. not the air.. lol. and boxing is a SPORT.. some would say an art.. for you, it might be about a big, bloody punch up.. rah, rah, rah, back to the colosseum bull sh!t.. but REAL lovers of the SPORT actually appreciate it as a sport and appreciate highly technical, skilled boxers, the 'sweet science'.. and not guys that just rush in, no technique, no defense, just brute force.. not saying pacquiao is totally that way (maybe hatton is).. but he's leaning that way.. i.e. more fighter than boxer.. an another stupid point.. why didn't he fight cotto.. HELLO! he's fighting the guy that handed cotto's ass to him.. so what kind of idiot now talks about him not fighting cotto?? do you understand how stupid that is?? and he said if pacquiao fight didn't go through he'd fight mosely and probably will fight him after he kicks pacquiao's ass.. why is it that pacquiao fans can't put any kind of decent arguments together for their fighter.. they just hate on floyd and think that's an argument for manny.. and they do it REALLY POORLY!! |
The Shocker
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There is one way to beat Mayweather: the Pacquiao speed and power. A lot of skeptics lost a lot of money already because he's being downplayed by saying either "he's too small" or that "he's got a lotta flaws" and blah, blah, blah...but after each fight,their eyes are popped out and their money gone for betting in the wrong guy... |
The Shocker
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I haven't seen Mayweather beat up a guy like Pacquiao did with Diaz, ODLH and Cotto and knocked out Hatton in one punch. None yet. Mayweather may be the hardest of Pacquiao's opponent but he isn't unbeatable. He hasn't fought a ring artist like Pacquiao yet. uhm. |
The SweetScience
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The bottomline is FMW is not the kind of boxer he once was because he is definitely old now. Rusty old man. I would summarize my comment about him as : Flawed Mayweathered already. It's not a slur on him, it's a fact. He is slower and definitely light puncher, hear that a light puncher. Sorry guys but that's the truth about him now. |
The SweetScience
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The thing about the PacTeam is that they always have a way to "re-invent the wheels", different styles for different boxers...they know that the diaz strategy will not work with DelaHoya and the ODLH strategy will not work with Hatton and the Hatton strategy will definitely not work with Cotto...and so forth and so on...that's the reason why, they have to concoct new strategy for MW, a strategy that hasn't been used from any of his previous fights and certainly will work against the more Flawed Mayweather...PBF will not weather that new strategy!!! |
The eggbeater
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The SweetScience, I like the way you said it!!!! |
The eggbeater
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I believe that's what Freddie Roach meant when he said that! Wow!!!! |
kulugo
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I agree with you The Sweetscience 100%... Mayweather is not Miguel Cotto and so worked best with MC will certainly not work with Mayweather for obvious reasons that they are two different boxers with different temperament, training anstyle. Like you said, what works with Juan doesn't mean will work with Pedro!!! yeap. |
kulugo
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..different baits and hooks for a totally different fish!!!!!! |
AntWilkez
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I like both fighters! I actually picked Pacquiao to stop Cotto in the later rounds check my record but I pick Mayweather in a hard fought decision. I also want to say that the trash talking Floyd is not the real Floyd. Just like the trash talking Ali wasn't the real Ali. I believe he respects all of his opponents and he underestimates noone. All the money throwing and trash talking is just to sell the fight. He doesn't care if you pay to see him win or lose as long as you pay to see him. And last go to boxinginsider.com and look up Floyd's bio and you will see that when they ask him who are your favorite fighters to watch he names both Marquez Bros.(he calls Juan Manuel the truth)and Pacquiao so believe the hype if you want to but he respects Pacquiao and he's been watching him for a long time. Oh yeah this is when he was still campaigning at 140 just to show you how long ago this was. |
doctorSpoc
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The SweetScience (man, that name SO doesn't apply!) - how do you guys come up with these stupid comments one after another.. floyd mayweather is "rust old" and yet he's 1 year older than manny??? WTF?? do you have ANY idea what the hell your are talking about?? honestly now? just that idiotic, uninformed comment should make people ignore what you have to say. please tell me what strategy has been concocted to beat pbf.. NONE.. he's undefeated.. HELLO!! how about manny? simple.. keep turning him, keep him at the end of a jab, when he comes forward counter him.. he's easy to hit.. it's that simple as long as you're a skilled counter puncher and have some semblance of a defense or a chin like morrales.. morrales beat him doing that, if marquez wouldn't have lost his concentration he would have beat him twice with that same strategy.. think about this.. marquez got a draw with him in a fight that he got dropped 3 times and got a split decision (even after pacquiao was now a two handed fighter) and he got dropped once in that one.. look at paquiao marquez II.. i think it's round 2 or three, right at the end of the round.. marquez has manny on queer street, you see manny unsteadily walk back to his corner.. lucky it came right at the end of the round. cripes even cotto was doing it in round one and two and most of round 3 in his fight with pacquiao and countering and landing punches flush on pacquiao.. until he foolishly decided to abandon the strategy and go two to toe with pacquiao.. SO.. the strategy to beat pacquiao IS WELL KNOWN.. and has been implemented a few times with great success by fighters that are smaller, slower, less skilled, worse defense, and not as good a counter puncher etc, etc as floyd mayweather.. let me spell it out for you guys.. MANNY CAN'T HANDLE.. HAS NEVER BEEN ABLE TO HANDLE SLICK COUNTER PUNCHERS and his competition has been cherry picked so he wouldn't face any.. the only fighter that they kind of f'd up with, going against was Marquez.. and they never figured on morrales fighting a disciplined counter punching style(or somewhat disciplined) as he did the first fight where he DEFEATED pacquiao.. the second one morrales got suckered into a dog fight with manny and lost.. like anyone who does the same.. but maweather NEVER fights that way.. he ALWAYS fights a disciplined, technical fight.. he is the best counter puncher on the planet.. and a counter punching style has been PROVEN a few times to beat pacquiao. pacquiao just doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell in winning that fight outside of landing a lucky punch, but that's it! you ask about how many have lost how many have lost betting against manny... well how many have lost money betting against floyd.. EVERYONE THAT HAS DONE SO! but not so for pacquiao.. people who bet on pacquiao to win in morrales I, and marquez I also lost money.. ...guys your "arguments" are WEAK!! |
doctorSpoc
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and for those of you predicting a pacquiao knock out.. know that manny's training Roach and a guy that knows way more about boxing and what manny pacquiao is capable doesn't think so.. Roach usually has some wild predictions when it comes to a Manny Pacquiao fight. Sometimes those predictions come true. When it comes to Mayweather, Roach is realistic. He doesn't see Pacquiao knocking Mayweather out. He doesn't see an easy fight. "I think it's going to be a tough fight for both guys. I think Pacquiao will win a twelve round decision. I think we have our work cut for us. The last four or five fights, we fought guys who come for you and try to destroy you. Now we are fighting the complete opposite. A guy who moves away, very defensive. We are going to set traps. We are going to stay away from Mayweather's traps because he's very smart. It's a very tactical fight," Roach said. from BoxingScene[dot]com Roach seems to have WAY more respect for what mayweather brings to the table and what manny is up against than any of you pbf hating fools! to me, it almost sounds like he's kind of trying to diminish expectations.. |
robertooo
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One of the reasons i dont really admire pacman because they stratigically selected their opponents to be slow and on the decline of their career like de la hoya(weight drained), hatton(slow& decline),cotto (decline). Many people call him great but for me he is an overrated one and thats roach strategy. |
raye matthews
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well done bolo u know ur shit, good to see another true fan |
Cotto
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I didn't know from where the punches were coming," Cotto said. "Manny Pacquiao is one of the best boxers I ever fought. looks like DocSpoc know what he's talking about and how to knock Pacquiao out to dreamland. Hey man, you shouldda told me that before I got in the ring then I would have beaten him up. PLEASE GO YOURSELF IN THERE AND FIGHT HIM LIKE HOW YOU SAID IT! |
Cotto
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iF THE STRATEGY, LIKE WHAT docspoc say, to beat pacquiao is well known the question is why cant bigger opponents beat him up? becasue he's just slick, quick, good puncher (left and right fists)' etc, etc...the only thing he doesn't have is a pretty face like all of his opponents AND needle marks in his ass like one huy said. |
doctorSpoc
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"Cotto" pacquiao is a good fighter.. that is no doubt... just because the formula for beating pacquiao is well known.. and PROVEN.. i mean, how do you get around the fact that he's actually been beaten using it?? guess you're just going to ignore that?? that doesn't mean it's easy to implement and just anyone off the street is capable of it. the formula for beating usain bolt in the 100m is well known too.. just run 9.5s!! just 'cause it's known, doesn't make it easy to do. pacqiao's people have specifically chosen opponents that they felt wouldn't be able to pull it off.. guys perfect for manny's style (most are slow, old and/or in decline, and have a recent loss on their record).. they did misjudge a few times though.. look at all the guys manny didn't fight moving up.. he fights larios but not isreal vasquez or rafael marquez?? like i said.. cherry picking! manny is a good fighter, but he's been REALLY hyped up.. and we'll see that on march 13th. |
@Bolo
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and don't disappear after as well IF, and a big IF, the fight goes on. I'll bet you were also one of those Hatton ass drummer who said Pacman didn't have a chance against your 'great white hope', lol, coached by a trash-talking idiot. Runs in the blood. Only this time it's the son himself fighting, if he isn't too chicken to make up stories just to have a 'way out'. If the Jr wins, 'see, i told you'. If he loses, he'll cry like I can imagine you would and say "not fair! Manny's on stereoids!" lol |
abel
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can mayweather handle 1295 punches?can he getaway all of that? ans. my freakin quistion !!!!!!LOL |
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