Saturday, 31 July 2010
doctorSpoc
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Where are all the haters now that said that Mayweather was scared to fight Pacquiao or Mosely now that he's openly courting them both? You guys are a joke!! LMMFAO!! Pacquiao in particular was the only reason Mayweather came out of retirement.. BIG EASY MONEY!! This is going to be funny when Pacquiao get reduced to.. just another fighter... LOL... |
Jandro83
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Yeah Mayweather always contradicting himself, he constantly ducked Cotto saying Cotto wasnt a big $ draw, and now all of a sudden eh says Cotto was the big draw in that fight, Mayweather STOP TALKING BULLSHIT!!! also for those saying Mosley ducked PBF, i heard a Mosley interview on that and i belive more his version, he said clearly PBF challenged him IMEDIATELY after one of his fights and he asked for atleast a few months for recovery and training and PBF bitched about it, OBF is a smart ass and wanted to capitalize on Mosley not being 100% and Mosley is not stupid, and sure now that Mosley is ocupied cause he already signed the Berto fight, people arent stupid u know and we can already see through Mayweather's schemes. |
Jandro83
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Oh and before i forget, on those 3 ppvs mentioned here Mayweather was the big draw ONLY ONCE, it was in his LAST fight, and why? because he came out of retirement thats all, Hatton fight over 20,000 people in attendance were british, no need to explain who was the big draw there, and the Oscar fight, well we know who the GOLDEN BOY is and Floyd was a Pretty Boy still at that time, he wasnt $ May. |
355X6 Bench
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You guys know I dont like May but I wached Pacs fight with Cotto and not parts, I think May or Shane beat Pac. He makes Alot of mistakes like his feet dont set fast enough to land against a guy that moves to his right, that is partially why Cotto lasted as long as he did, Pac also looked vunrable when Cotto did a impersonation of Floyd. And it was slow, hell tear guys up if they dont have any head movment or sit in front of him, if you move well like Floyd or Shane and use your jab ALOT then that man can make Pac look very regular.He also looked extremely sloppy and missed when Cottos slow ass Boxed.He is srong as fuck but if he misses he looks ametureish. I am sorry to say Floyd is correct cuz I like Manny Alot but he is 1 dimentional. Floyd wins decition in a close affair. |
miketheman
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Floyd is afraid of Pacquiao... Floyd will sacrifice the million of dollars... He won't fight Pacquiao... You can bet on it... But if ever he will finally gain some courage... Floyd will not only get his first defeat but also his first TKO defeat.... You can bet on it....  |
alex santillan
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There's a patttern thats being established here: PREDICTION: Pacman will lose to a bigger, stronger, big-name guy (a"legend") with proven knock-out punch. PREDICTION: Pacman will not last the distance and will be KOed, TKOed in the 4th, 5th, 6th, etc,etc round. His oppopnent will make mince-meat of this small Asian guy. RESULT: Pacman wins by a fluke; his opponents were ahead by several miles and it was just pure luck that he was able to land a hundred lucky punches. RESULT: After the fight all the faces of his opponents displayed that dazed look on their faces which looked like a newly-plowed corn field. RESULT: All his opponents spoke a common language after their vanquish:"NO MAS" UNSOLICITED ADVICE: Pretty Boy Floyd should stop blabbing and start memorizing these two important Hispanic words!After getting clobbered by this small but terrible Asian, these may be all that he could remember-he may even forget his name! |
355X6 Bench
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This fight will be great, but you got to box a fighter and fight a boxer. I really want to see Pac vs. Floyd. |
socalboxer
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remember Mayweather turned down MILLIONS for a de la hoya rematch. he will wait for mosley to beat berto, and use mosley as a negotiating ploy against pacquiao. |
355X6 Bench
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Pac is only ubeatable if you trade with him or stand in front of him. |
JoeLuis
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Unfortunatelly i'd have to agree with bench on this one. Cotto's fight exposed the pacman, the jab was making some damage. Imagine the same jabx2 the speed? + floyds footwork. Its going to be a rought night. one this its for sure The pac will eventually land something and for sure floyd hates getting punched. Makes sense for floyd to use shane for negotiations. |
alex santillan
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See what I mean? The first two reactions to my previous comment goes with the pattern of previous predictions - Pacquiao will lose (again!) This time its not only the size of Floyd but its the "jabx2" + footwork! My, my.... how about adding on Goliath's spear, sword and shield? Yes, "Pacman is unbeatable if you stand in front of him" as Bench has correctly observed, and so part of Floyd's training will be how to effectively back-pedal to get out of range of the small Asian because as Joe Luis has correctly (again)said, "Floyd hates getting punched' - especially in the face. It would be a sight to see that pretty face turned into a newly-plowed cornfield like all the rest of them!They said Cotto has one helluva haymaker and so Pacman stood in front of him purposely to get hit but Cotto was not able to budge him at all. I dare Floyd do that! With all the hype that the promoters are starting to build up, this one's not gonna sell, sorry to say. Why would anybody part with his precious $ just to see a guy backpedalling around the ring covering his pretty face all of the time? Pacman will eventually get tired of running after Floyd and so will give up the fight and go home to his beautiful wife. FLOYD WINS! THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE HELLUVA BORING FIGHT! |
355X6 Bench
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If you keep fighting great fighters all the time then you will loose at some point. I am a big Pac fan and dont like Floyd or his persona, but Pac has footwork issues with guys that move to his right and has trouble crossing over with the left and misses Alot, had Cotto boxed early and fought later he would have made a better fight, still lost but been closer. The thing is Floyd can nullify his right hook by leaning back and moving to his left Mannys right.A boxer with good lateral movment and a good jab like Floyd,Shane or Eric Morales can make this guy look like the magic is gone. Vegas oddsmakers have Floyd or Shane as Faverd to beat Pac. |
JoeLuis
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Some would call it borring some will also call it superb boxing skills by floyd. The fight will sellout no doubt.(no one loves a villan and would love to see the so called fall of him) if pac is looking for an action fight there's shane waiting that would be a brawl for sure. Yo alex u're not telling us much, no more than yahoo boxing writters do, so dont give yourself too much credit. the thing is that we mad-afficionados dont go by patterns nor by who's name he's beatten (We leave that to HBO commentators) and so-far many of us thought that he had beatten an old/drained delahoya (floyd would rather loose $$ before he makes weight so dont expect him to be drained or under 146) or an over hipped no defense hatton,(floyd has mad defense) but to beat cotto is another thing so props to pacman. Another thing worth mentioning is that the pacman has plan "A" and only which is go forward and attacking is his best defense. Floyd is the best in adapting to fighters and dont expect to try to see him exchange or try to knock the pacman out with one punch like Santiago was asking cotto to do. After watching re-run, cotto did had a huge dissadvantage in his corner. If santiago didnt have anything to say, then why not stop the fight then?. |
doctorSpoc
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alex santillan - it's worse for Floyd.. people have been saying he's going to lose to this guy or that guy for x,y reason too for much longer than they have been saying that about Pacquiao.. but with Pacquiao they've actually been right a few times.. i.e. Morales in 2005 and Marquez (draw after several times going down in the 1st.. plus some think marquez one the 2nd fight too).. plus twice when he was younger and was too cocky.. it has never come true for Mayweather though so what's your point?? DLH is going to be too big, Hatton's pressure is going to be to much for him, Corrales is going to be too big, too much pressure, Castillo pressure again and too big etc, etc... if anything this has been more the case for Mayweather.. mayweather is technically sound and just as fast if not faster than pacquiao.. people are always amazed when the awkward, fast guy who has in the past been able to compensate for his weaknesses with speed and who's has been on a tear in the last while, gets his ass wooped by the technically sound, counter punching guy.. and if he has great speed on top of that forget about it.. think Barrera v prince nassem, think corey spinks v mayorga, think edison miranda v abraham or pavlik.. prince nasseem, mayorga, mirranda all seemed invincible but all it took was a technically sound, disciplined boxer to show how to beat them, then anyone can do it.. look at Manny fast in that post fight interview, broken ear drumb.. will all of manny's flaws.. it's going to be a long night for him against mayweather... even at this late stage in manny's career his still has a shit load of flaws.. i totally agree with bench if a guy like cotto can get to him as much as he did... what do you think a guy like mayweather will do.. marquez is no where near as fast as mayweather and he was able to touch manny a tonne too.. what do you think mayweather is going too do.. again, people have been announcing Floyd's defeat way before pacquiao.. and it has NEVER happened.. he hasn't even ever been down, and has never had his face messed up like paquiao's was in the cotto fight.. so what exactly is your point?? |
doctorSpoc
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for got one example of the technically sound counter puncher beating the awkward, fast "unstoppable force".. think Marquez v Pacquiao.. |
355X6 Bench
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The things Manny does to everyone else simply wont work on Pretty Boy.His latest oponent is Mannys size and Floyd made this man look like a ameture. Floyd movment will confuse Manny, his reach is Manny having to chase to close the gap, that gap or distance is everything in this sport.Just ask Margarito why he could not get off vs. Sugar, its cuz Sugar closed the distance and smotherd him. Manny has shorter arms so he is the opposite he needs to be close and Floyd will pick him apart in a midrange distance and he is not a boxer he (manny) is a fighter. The whole problem is the fight would be boring cuz Floyd wont sho no problems at all vs. Pac. Think Ali vs George Forman on a smaller scale. |
alex santillan
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My point is very simple: First you guys predict the defeat of Pacquiao and you are very sure of it - his opponent will thrash him even without Goliath's weaponry. His opponents are just too big, too strong, more experienced, etc, etc., while you say Manny's victories are all fluke and he just came out lucky. When Manny proved everyone wrong (he even stood in front of Cotto intentionally to be hit - thats how his ear swelled), you come out with all sort of beautiful alibi - his opponent was over-rated, dehydrated, poorly trained - short of calling them morons for not following instructions and sticking to the sure-fire perfect game plan. And then you do not admit your prediction was flawed and way-off target, and, instead of making an analysis why Pacman won (or why his opponent lost), you go through a lenghty analysis why Pacman will lose in his next fight. For me, thats quite unfair if not downright stupid. |
doctorSpoc
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alex santillan - look, Manny did what he had to do, remember, he won! why look at him? and almost everyone says that they underestimated Manny's chin.. i know i did. that was Cotto's only prayer (that his heavier blows would slow pacquiao down). they didn't and he lost. it's as simple as that. with no head movement and too slow he didn't have a prayer if he couldn't slow Pacquiao down. is it Manny's fault that Cotto is too slow and has sh!tty defense.. NO! manny did what he had to do.. how is that an excuse? it's a reason! people are entitled to their opinions as to why the fight went the way it went... how is listing Pacquiao's opponents inadequacies insulting or unfair to Pacquiao? Sorry man, i don't follow your logic at all.. i don't understand your point... makes no sense to me at all.. yeah, Manny took all those punches right on the button 'cause it hurt so good.. give me a break.. LOL.. they might have planned to sucker Cotto in, in a sort of rope-a-dope and blocking a lot but.. no way they planned on Manny taking shots through his guard right on the chin.. you're not naive enough to believe that right? I want to feel his power... PLLLLEEASE! what a joke.. Roach actually said he was a little worried at first and Manny said he was faking that he wasn't hurt by those blows that cotto was landing cleanly on him.. please don't fall for the BS.. and don't try to feed it to me.. |
alex santillan
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dear doctorspoc: I quite understand why you dont understand so I will dish it out as simple as it gets. 1) Your words: "How is listing Pacquiao opponents' inadequacies insulting or unfair to Pacquiao?" Thats just the point - people make a list of those inadequacies AFTER the fight, but before the fight they picture Pacquiao's opponents as invincible warriors who will make mince-meat of the small fellow. Before the fight why did not anyone cried out loud that DLH was a washed-out has been, Hatton was over-rated and Cotto was damaged goods? They predicted that all these big boys will slap the Pacman aroud. Maybe they should have picked their own size. 2)At least you came out with a simple and honest analysis as to why Pacman won and why Cotto lost - thank you. But others will rather not face the reality of it and instead of giving credit to the little fellow they would rather analyze why Pacman will fall in his next bout.But, who knows? after going through a lot of frustrated predictions, and probably losing some on the tables, they will get lucky this time - if the fight materialize. Wish them luck... |
NDESTRUKT
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LET ALL THE TALKING'S HAPPEN IN THE RING.. PACMAN VS PRETTY BOY MAY 2010 |
NDESTRUKT
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AND AFTER THAT THE BEST FIGHTER WILL BE CROWNED.. LETS HELP PUSH THIS FIGHT TO BE A REALITY. |
355X6 Bench
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For the record I have called ALL of Mannys last 4 fights correctly. I am predicting he will loose to Floyd. I have bet and won money in all of Pacs last 4 fights. I am also stating Shane will beat Berto in jan. but if it is close HBO will give it to the young fighter. Young unbeaten fighters are great for ratings. HBO judges are the whores of the industry. |
Gun Ru Hammer
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Bench, you predicted Manny's last 4 fights correctly? Awesome. How come I dont see your name anywhere on the fantasy league standings? Did you know i had correctly picked the last 300 boxing matches before I joined the fantasy league? Also, your a Floyd hater thats already making excuses why he won before the fight is even made. Now thats some serious Floyd hate. |
355X6 Bench
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Hummer I am not into fantasy, I am into betting and winning money. I really dont know anyone who has called 300 fights in a row with out missing that is a LIE. I missed more fights last year then I care to remember and you win some and you loose some so get off the chest thumping. Look, and read: I am picking Floyd to win that fight with Manny. Do you have a reading disorder? Everyone here understands me but you. I dont care what you think at all but you keep trying to talk to me,If you cant come smarter then you are then please dont engage me at all. Find some friends bro. |
alex santillan
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Wow! Mr. Bench predicting outcome of 300 games correctly! (304 to include Pacman's?)...must be a really rich fellow by now. Its either the guy is a prophet or a big fat liar...or living in fantasyland. Yeah, you're into fantasy, man.... anybody out there agree? |
alex santillan
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Hey guys so sorry - wrong typing. he he he. I was referring to Mr. Hammer, not Mr. Bench! Yeah, Mr. Hammer must be a very rich man today - and he will get richer if he continue betting on Manny. Again so sorry to Mr. Bench! |
355X6 Bench
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Thanks for the proof reading. I wish more people would do that. |
Gun Ru Hammer
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"If you cant come smarter then you are then please dont engage me at all." Actually, I guess im gunna have to dumb it down a little for you (and Alex too). Its called sarcasm, no shit I didnt call 300 fights in a row. And I couldnt say that I did becasue you cant see it on the fantasy league. Just like your shit aint. If you wanna hang out on a boxing site that has a large focus on predicting outcomes of fights, you might not wanna pop off about how good you are at predictions if you arent actually making predictions on a site that is used to make predictions. Its not really fantasy, its just predictions. And you havent made any. |
355X6 Bench
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It really dont matter to me, like I said. I bet on boxing a little but its not the only thing, my friends and I are gamblers and bet on dog races, football,baseball and boxing. And another thing I never said I was the shit at calling it all, if you read then youll see that i wrote "I missed more last year the I care to remember." You are the one bragging about calling fights.If you want to see any of my predictions then go to the archives or stay on long enough and read. That is if you can,it doesnt seem to me that you have any reading comprehention whatsoever. |
alex santillan
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Hey Mr. Hammer: speackie any englishi?. Mr. Bench your observation is quite right (about the man)- keep it up man. BTW you will be interested to know that in our place they bet on cockfights, horsefights, dogfights and spiderfights. No kidding! |
bolo
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MOSLEY REFUSED TO FIGHT MAYWEATHER ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS WHEN HE WAS UNDEFEATED AND LOOKED AT AS POUND FOR POUND BEST IN WORLD. AS FAR AS COTTO. MAYWEATHER SAID COTTO WAS NOT A GREAT FIGHTER. SINCE COTTO STEPPED UP HIS COMPATITION. THOSE WORDS SEAMS TO BE CORRECT. TKO MARGARITO. TKO PACMAN. SPLIT DECISION CLOTTEY. PLUS HE IS MANAGED BY ABRUM. ABRUM HAS SAID IT MANY DIFFERENT TIMES THIS WEEK. HE DOES NOT WANT MAYWEATHER FIGHTING HIS FIGHERS. HE PROMOTES MARGARITO, PACMAN AND COTTO. HE USED TO PROMOTE MAYWEATHER. HE KNOWS WHAT MAYWEATHER CAN DO. HE DOES NOT WANT HIS CASH COWS BEING SENT TO SLAUGHTER. HE IS TRYING TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE OF HIS BLOCK BUSTER FIGHERS. A LOSS TO MAYWEATHER BRINGS FUTURE EARNINGS DOWN. BIG TIME. HE HAS SAID THIS WEEK. HE DOES NOT WANT PACMAN FIGHTING MAYWEATHER. HE IS ONLY DOING IT BECAUSE IT IS BEING DEMANDED SO MUCH BY THE WORLD.TO NOT DO THE FIGHT COULD CAUSE BOXING DAMANGE AND SINCE HE IS IN THE BUISSNESS OF BOXING THIS WOULD NOT BE GOOD FOR HIM. HE KNOWS WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN. HE JUST CANT AVOID IT THIS TIME. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A EPIC FIGHT. ITS GOING TO BE A ONE SIDED BEAT DOWN. PACMAN KEEPS HIMSELF TOO OPEN. EVERYTIME SOMEONE MIMICS MAYWEATHER AGAINST HIM. THEY DO WELL BUT GOT BACK TO THERE NATURAL WAS OF FIGHTING. IMAGINE WHEN THE REAL THING IS IN FRONT OF HIM. BIGGER, FASTER, SMARTER. GAME OVER. DONT WANT TO HEAR ANY EXCUSES AFTER THIS ONE. |
alex santillan
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Same old song: Pacman wins by a fluke, is too small, will surely be battered by next opponent after winning last bout by pure luck, can not take punches from a true welter, distracted, lacks focus, etc, etc (please add to this as i'm sure you have plenty to add). After Pacman wins, just be ready with the usual alibi: his opponent was washed out, over-rated, damaged goods, over-trained, under-trained, distracted, dehydrated, drained, weak from fasting, inexperienced corner, loud mouth father (LOL)- you have the liberty to add to this, please. Will appreciate it. Thanks |
355X6 Bench
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Bolo dont knock Shane, Shane called May out in front of millions of people and May has not answered the call and as a matter of fact: Floyd Sr. was recently qouted as saying " The only REAL threat out there to my son is Shane Mosley ". I think family knows more about their own son then anyone on this site. The Real p4p fight im telling you is Shane and May. |
bolo
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shane mosley called mayweather out recently. also called pacman out trying to get that last big payday. im not saying shane is not a good fighter. im saying when he was undefeated and considered to be the pound for pound best. next to roy jones. he wanted no part of mayweather. he twice refused to fight mayweather. he has only started calling out mayweather recently. never said he was not a great fighgter. they dont call him suger for nothing. you have to earn that name. but facts are facts he refused to fight mayweather twice. in the past i think it would have been a great fight. now i think mayweather would destroy him. my brother actually thinks mosley would win the fight. we probably will find out end of 2010. |
bolo
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alex santillan. please name me one figher pacman beat this year that did not have a big los this year. facts are fact. delahoya had just got beat. hatton had been knocked out and cotto had been knocked out. as far as him being small. all im saying is when he gets his tail handed to him in may. no more excuses for why mayweather beat an aponent. facts are fact all the fighters he fought this year had just lost big last big fight. that going forward with head open style did not work for hatton or marquez. it wont work for pacman. he has the wrong style for mayweather. |
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